Israel (3 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Also, while we're at it, let's assume there's a "war kite" situation happening. So, the refugees in Rafah are flying, what? Flaming kites? Molotov cocktail kites? Into what? The Egyptian desert? What's the threat here? They trying to make glass out of the sand with their flammable kites? What exactly is the implication here?

I explained that I was speculating about what Isreali's saw in that, I also fully explained the reason I thought war kites might have factored into that.

I Factored that in because the Palestinians of Gaza have actually been using various variations of war kites to attack Israel for a number of years.

That reasoning is why I thought the Israeli's laid down a warning near the wall for them to back off by using smoke.
As far as I know no one there was killed or inured by the use of smoke.

Those smoke shells are made to be used very close to our own troops to give them cover during an assault. Sometimes they are also used over an enemy position to obscure their vision. The point being they are fairly safe as things to use on a battlefield. As thus they can also be used for crowd control.

 

[Heathen Saint]

Well, that should totally clear up the question of did they use it on those kite flyers at the border wall today by clearly showing it as having been a false statement.

I think you're right, it doesn't look like WP to me. They've used it a lot on Palestinians, but looks like a smoke screen as you mentioned here.

Having said that I don't know the reason why they're firing that on / at civilians. Israel did push millions of them to that border though, so it's their fault.

I just can't imagine these kids are up to some nefarious plan to spy on the IDF or relay intel through cameras on kites or something.

 

[Heathen Saint]

And FTR, I have zero issues with Palestinians kids and/or adults flying kites. But, time and place for it.

I mean, I guess I don't understand the whole 'time and place' thing.

The IDF has already shown they'll kill people where they stand. They'll kill people going to the hospital. They'll kill people in their homes. On their way to designated 'safe zones'. IN safe zones. AT UN schools. IN captivity...You get my drift.

I don't know why the time and place thing isn't thrown out the window at this point. When is the time and place concept reasonable during a during a genocide..?

I'm not sure what Palestinian children are supposed to do when they're moving targets anyway.

 

[DaveXA]

I mean, I guess I don't understand the whole 'time and place' thing.

The IDF has already shown they'll kill people where they stand. They'll kill people going to the hospital. They'll kill people in their homes. On their way to designated 'safe zones'. IN safe zones. AT UN schools. IN captivity...You get my drift.

I don't know why the time and place thing isn't thrown out the window at this point. When is the time and place concept reasonable during a during a genocide..?

I'm not sure what Palestinian children are supposed to do when they're moving targets anyway.

I don't have an answer for all of that. But my point stands that despite all of the terrible things the IDF has and is doing, flying kits in and near a war zone isn't something that should be done. They're just making themselves more of a target than they otherwise would be. I mean, I get it. It's not how it should be, but it is what it is.

 

[SamAndreas]

I mean, I guess I don't understand the whole 'time and place' thing.

The IDF has already shown they'll kill people where they stand. They'll kill people going to the hospital. They'll kill people in their homes. On their way to designated 'safe zones'. IN safe zones. AT UN schools. IN captivity...You get my drift.

I don't know why the time and place thing isn't thrown out the window at this point. When is the time and place concept reasonable during a during a genocide..?

I'm not sure what Palestinian children are supposed to do when they're moving targets anyway.

I think after two days of gnawing on this kite flying kids/white Phosphors propaganda story it would be high time and place for some hint to leak out about the number of fallen Palestinian kids that Israel wounded or killed there.

I was either a horror or it wasn't.

I don't think any of them were harmed or killed. And I don't think they were actually kids there either. I think they were all 15 or older. I think it was a staged photo opp Hamas demonstration for the press on the world stage.

I implied all that on the first day, with my first post, but we can't seem to get past that it was somehow just awful what Israel did when what Israel did was just about nothing, they warned them to back away from the fence using smoke.

So I'm going wrap this up and move on.

 

[SamAndreas]

I sure hope this works out.

 

[DaveXA]

I sure hope this works out.

I kinda wish they would just wait til they actually have an agreement done before announcing this. Someone backs out, then you have an egg on your face for making a premature announcement.

 

[Heathen Saint]

I think after two days of gnawing on this kite flying kids/white Phosphors propaganda story it would be high time and place for some hint to leak out about the number of fallen Palestinian kids that Israel wounded or killed there.

I was either a horror or it wasn't.

You can clearly see from the post that the IDF is shooting something toward the kids flying kites. It very well could be / likely is a warning shot w smoke shells. It doesn't have to be a 'horror' or not to pass the legitimacy test. It's not a strictly binary "either they were killing people/hurting them or they weren't".

I mean, honestly. Put yourself in the shoes of being a kid in this experience. Not trying to be a jerk.

I don't think any of them were harmed or killed. And I don't think they were actually kids there either. I think they were all 15 or older. I think it was a staged photo opp Hamas demonstration for the press on the world stage.

You have doubled down that this is a 'staged photo opp' by 'Hamas' without any evidence -- when there's a long history of kids flying kites here dating back at least a decade or longer.

Not sure why someone wouldn't call that out as conjecture. But yeah, fine to move on.

 

[Heathen Saint]

I sure hope this works out.

I saw this. Better late than never I suppose, but idk how much of a difference it will have to many people after 30k dead, all of Gaza destroyed, millions still being forcibly removed right now.

 

[Heathen Saint]

I don't have an answer for all of that. But my point stands that despite all of the terrible things the IDF has and is doing, flying kits in and near a war zone isn't something that should be done. They're just making themselves more of a target than they otherwise would be. I mean, I get it. It's not how it should be, but it is what it is.

I hear your point. But I'm honestly asking.."What should these kids be doing at that border...." given all that has happened to them already?

It's not even like they're fighting back, even though they have every right to. They probably don't have the means....to say the very least.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

I hear your point. But I'm honestly asking.."What should these kids be doing at that border...." given all that has happened to them already?

It's not even like they're fighting back, even though they have every right to. They probably don't have the means....to say the very least.

it is victim blaming that isn't all that different from that pastor the other day who blamed women wearing shorts for being raped.

 

[0rion]

Today's lesson.....don't fly kites in a war zone near a border. I've always said that

 

[SamAndreas]

You can clearly see from the post that the IDF is shooting something toward the kids flying kites. It very well could be / likely is a warning shot w smoke shells. It doesn't have to be a 'horror' or not to pass the legitimacy test. It's not a strictly binary "either they were killing people/hurting them or they weren't".

I mean, honestly. Put yourself in the shoes of being a kid in this experience. Not trying to be a jerk.



You have doubled down that this is a 'staged photo opp' by 'Hamas' without any evidence -- when there's a long history of kids flying kites here dating back at least a decade or longer.

Not sure why someone wouldn't call that out as conjecture. But yeah, fine to move on.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE KIDS!

I didn't see any kids in that video, what I saw were young adults. In my culture and theirs, Bar, or Bat Mitzvah means over 13, and that means one is no longer a kid, their parents are no longer responsible for their actions.

In Islam that is called Salat, and depending on where you are, that happens at age 12 to 15 for boys. For girls it happens after their first mensuration.

 

[SamAndreas]

Oh My, It's, It's, Taco Tuesday!!!

 

[DaveXA]

it is victim blaming that isn't all that different from that pastor the other day who blamed women wearing shorts for being raped.

It's not victim blaming. It's stating a fact that flying kites in a war zone is a bad idea, and for good reason. That doesn't absolve or excuse the IDF when they do something wrong, but use some common sense here. And that's a terrible comparison. Not like that at all.